Thursday, May 15, 2008

No excuse for tardiness. Moving on.

Marvelous.

I have just finished reading [rereading most of it as I went] the essay on the Marvelous in Le Goff. I am still not entirely sure where he is coming from or where in the world he may be going. True, in the first circuitous definition of imagination, he picked and pulled to at least form an idea, if not a solidified concept, but in this chapter I felt as though he did actually define the marvelous quite clearly. Somewhere between the words, perhaps, slipping behind a handy h right when you turn to look, like that spook behind the pillar next to you.

The one connection I managed to maintain is that the marvelous is something natural, something old. It is not magic because magic, in the Christian sense at least, has been sourced outside the world itself to Satan [who then could be sourced to God but a bastardization of holy power and everything kind of jumbles itself around in a mental tussel with no clear winner in my head, but that is unrelated to this conversation]. It is not miraculous because that, too, has the implied source, though in God. So marvels are of nature. How does one then define nature and manage to diferentiate between when something that happened was either miraculous or marvelous?

I was interested in his dredging up of the literature and lore of the knights and lower nobility, which brought to mind Once and Future King, The Faerie Queene, and Dante [yes, in that order, though the first and second are hardly as applicable as the first and the latter two are both based in some overt form of Christianity. I did not see fit to include Phantastes, though it also was sluiced in], bringing with them the images [which Le Goff believes is also an important part of the marvelous] of a sword coming from a lady in a lake, and a tree that is bleeding.

And here is where my thoughts trailed off into bafflement...comment. Question. Answer. Something.

2 comments:

bwhawk said...

Thanks for the thoughts! I've been reflecting on them and trying to figure out how to respond for a few days now. You write (beautifully) that his main idea and definition is "Somewhere between the words, perhaps, slipping behind a handy h right when you turn to look, like that spook behind the pillar next to you"--and I really like that idea. I think part of what I love about Le Goff is that his book is a collection of reflections about various topics all somehow related to imagination and cognitive conceptions of the world, but not all explicitly tied to each other. Also, he presents his ideas coherently and well, but never really has a driving thesis other than to present connections and methodologies. I think, in this way, it serves as a great spring-board for scholars to use his approaches to create more in-depth studies and connections.

I think Le Goff presents the marvelous as a way to conceptualize the way supernatural things happen--whether directed (ultimately) by God or by nature or by unknown sources--and they all converge without seeming reason, but because our imaginations thrive on such stories. He weaves the Christian marvels (miracles) in with pagan marvels of nature, but he somehow holds them separately. It's a great way to see the medieval world, as the cultures intersected and Christianity appropriated paganism and various motifs to such an extent that they remain with us today. Part of my fascination with the medieval marvelous is that so much of it comes together in the intersection of cultures and collision of ideas.

I think that last rumination of mine connects with your literary connections--that Christian authors so often use secular/pagan ideas to give life to and to flesh out their images and stories. The marvelous is surely a natural, inexplicable thing for non-Christians, but when mixed with belief in the miraculous, it all becomes something else and something imaginatively greater to reflect upon.

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